The Bloom Living Podcast

Take the Red Pill and Unplug | Dr. Kevin Preston SE05-EP02

June 24, 2020 Thomas DeSchutter Season 5 Episode 2
The Bloom Living Podcast
Take the Red Pill and Unplug | Dr. Kevin Preston SE05-EP02
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DR. KEVIN PRESTON

PROGRESSIVE CHINESE MEDICINE
Bringing a new way of healing based on 5000 years of research, Dr. Kevin Preston lives for creating health and vitality in others. Dr. Preston trained in Traditional Chinese Medicine, with a background in science and kinesiology. He continued to branch out by engaging in many different courses, seminars, and philosophies; which range from epigenetics, biological medicine, homeopathy, Classical Chinese medicine, to other teachings from more esoteric lineages and spiritual paths.

Dr. Preston has been in practice for over a decade and owns a wellness clinic in Vernon, BC. His key focus has been on treating chronic conditions, unknown illnesses, mystery syndromes, and optimized performance. He is very passionate about helping people thrive beyond what they thought was possible.

26:27 - "To put everything on the table is the ultimate fear busting thing. But I think what we're also afraid of is actually showing ourselves fully because of lack of confidence, self-esteem or whatever all these programs are that we run.

It's like everybody feels that way. I have had so many amazing deep conversations with amazing people. And one of the things I hear the most is, "you might think I'm crazy but this is how I'm feeling or I'm feeling this I'm feeling that" and they're really scared to share it and for whatever reason people seem to feel safe sharing things with me.

They think they're alone. It's kind of wild. It's like, how many of us have had these thoughts? Like say, oh 1000 times and then as soon as they share it, they can let go of that and they don't have to carry it on their own.

We all have these things that we're hiding and carrying within ourselves and so that reference to Eminem in 8 Mile; I love that part of the movie. I think a lot of people that saw that movie remember that because we all probably get super scared when we imagine doing something like that ourselves.

If you stop judging yourself then you're not so worried about other people judging you too. it's like that cosmic joke where you can laugh at yourself because you have put yourself out there, on the table and whatever is gonna happen, its gonna happen."

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Website: drkevinpreston.com

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Thomas DeSchutter :

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Unknown Speaker :

I used to not know what TCM stood for, and it was behind his initials

Thomas DeSchutter :

and then I asked him, he's like a traditional Chinese medicine, today's conversation is going to take you into the world of self care self love self healing. What it means to practice things. What it means to care for yourself. And then what it means to grow, to have a mission of doing more and more service in the world and being bigger than you know yourself to be. And of all the people I know in the world.

Unknown Speaker :

And I think it's pretty great to be able to call him a friend and have him join us.

Thomas DeSchutter :

So here we go. Dr. Kevin Presti. Welcome to the Blum living podcast.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Thank you very much. Happy to be here once again.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Yeah. No, I think this is your, your. This is our third time doing something like this once was on that crazy show I did for voice America. I think money mindset and love so that's somewhere.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Moving around the internet somewhere. And then the previous time on the blue living podcast I think was in season one. So it's been a while since we've jammed on this, for lack of a better term on this station. Yeah. A lot has changed in your life.

Thomas DeSchutter :

True. Very true. You know I heard a great conversation or a great comment yesterday from an interview I was in where it's, they asked me. So what is the growing edge that you need to focus on.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

And I love how you're just diving in yeah let's let's do it. You know there's that. That moment of uncomfortability. And then you can decide if you want to turn away from that or keep going through that. And so I think this is something that you do every year to I know there's a bunch of us. People that know each other and it's I don't even know where we got the idea from but that word for the year. And so 2020 My Word is expansion. And along with expansion. You got to bump into stuff, or at least that's my current mindset you know if you're expanding and growing. You're gonna have moments of being uncomfortable. And if you can be okay. Kind of standing in that fire, as it is, then, yeah, there's a lot that can happen in really really beautiful ways and I can see in the past anyway for myself where I'd start to get uncomfortable. I think because I was on the right track, and then I kind of go back into myself a little bit so when you ask about the leading edge. It's not like I'm looking to be uncomfortable, but it does happen. And, you know, when you're learning new things or doing things you've never done before. I think for all of us there's going to be that you know disoriented feeling a little bit or lack of confidence, or any number of those words that you know make people feel uncomfortable, a little bit of fear mixed in there, a little bit of anxiety mixed in there. And so I'm using that as a bit of a compass, not because again it doesn't have to be that way because I think we can have lots of growth and transition in life with a lot of grace, so I'm trying to do the uncomfortable stuff with as much grace as possible. Hopefully that answers the question.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Yeah, well I know this year, you, you, like, I think it may have started last year you started to do. You started to really sort of become more of a presence, outside of the clinic. Yeah. And, and so how is that felt how I mean, I would imagine you progressed into it relatively easily from the outside but on the internal discussion the dialogue within. How has that transition been.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Thanks. Yes, so I'm going to explain that I think it's almost like that analogy of. I'm not going to call myself a butterfly but basically that breaking out of a cocoon. And you know, especially with, going to school and, you know, getting education and doing doctor of Chinese medicine and acupuncture and rolling all that stuff together it's kind of, I guess expected, there's just that belief, which is really beautiful because it's what I wanted, but you're working in a clinic or you're working in some type of center like that and I've done that and I've done that for over 11 years now it's been awesome. Because I can't think of any better, like learning ground or training ground and working with people and seeing patients and coming up against challenges, and really, really tough cases that really make him grow because I do have a mindset of I want to figure things out and I want to be of service as much as possible. So, when you throw your hat in the ring in that way then you're gonna meet challenges for sure, and I'm grateful for those. And it's often the patients that you have a challenge with that stick in your mind the most and they do make you grow and yeah I love some easy cases once in a while too, for sure, maybe every practitioner feels that way but you know it's just like butter you just kind of get everything sorted and they're happy and you're happy and it's, it's, you know, really easy and beautiful. But there's the other side of it that it requires you to go deeper within yourself, and it requires you to really explore who you are and what you're bringing to the table and finding that zone of genius, where you're like your most effective and retreats is something that I've wanted to do for a long time, but I think honestly I had, you know, some fear or some lack of confidence of like yeah I want to do that but can I really do that. Can I really do it effectively, and you know there's always that doubt that I think a lot of us go through when we're trying to move into those areas of expansion within ourselves. So it was kind of just, I mean there's kind of a funny story, along with how the first retreat went but it was awesome. Like so good and, and he asked like how did I feel during that I felt tremendous It was like, Oh, this is something for me to be doing way more, because I feel amazing. And I've had people ask me because yeah I did four retreats last year, and we had to cancel one in the last couple of months just because of everything that's going on on the planet and we've got to rebook again for August and that one's called collective hearts, and I'm collaborating with an amazing woman from the Spokane Valley in the kidneys there and her name is Courtney, and we did want to November together and it was really flowing and beautiful and actually all the retreats that I've done. I felt anyway they went really well and so sometimes people say well, isn't it, you know taxing you know holding space for that many people or going that deep and and kind of staying on it the whole time whether it's a few days or six days or whatever it is. And my experience honestly has been. Not that way. I feel like better from doing the retreat, almost like a little bit of guilty like I feel amazing like I just didn't hear retreat. I hope they got jumping out of that you know, that was super fun again feel like work and man look at all this transformation and I feel transformed as well and so I feel like, oh there's, there's a sweet spot for whatever reason everything that I've learned everything that I've, you know, experienced I guess would change seem to allow me to access all of that in, you know, one kind of space with a group of people or even one on one or two set of done. It's, it's really great. And so yeah I'm really really thankful for. I'm gonna cross that path. Yeah. Beautiful. I just want to let you know going back to your, your comment and curiosity, if all of us feel that way when we try something new. You're the only one. There's nobody everybody else. The rest of us out here when we try something new, we're fine with it it's easy. Got this dialed in. Yeah. Kind of reminds me of my kids they seem that way like, Oh, I'm just gonna do this thing. Yeah. Got it. Awesome. It is not that way and my friend.

Thomas DeSchutter :

You know, but it's interesting because I appreciate what you're saying, in terms of diving in, and what do you get out of and. And so when we take on something new. Yes, for me, anyhow and I'm like you I feel like for me when I take on something new. It's, It is challenging and I have a lot of questions, and I have those doubts like well what if this happens and you start like future casting right.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Totally.

Thomas DeSchutter :

You know, it's like the event is six months from now, and already. All of these problems have arisen. Yeah, we do like to make the big problems. I now can't even put up the invite. And look at all the problems that have already come up. It's kind of funny so when that is happening for you. When we're talking about hey I'm going to take on something, and I'm uncomfortable. I'm not sure how it's gonna go a little you know monkey chatter starts. How do you deal with that. What is it, you know, do you have a set way is it change every time or is there a set pattern that, you know, Kevin Preston has taught himself to go into in order to, you know, acknowledge it, it's there, but it's not going to win the day.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, great question. Thank you. I think that something I'm really focused on the last few years was trying to come up with the right word is maybe Master, the fear, because I realized in my life and I've had some great coaches and mentors and in grieving gifted I think skilled people that have helped me you know that's one of them, I think as a tool is ask for help. Say, Hey, I'm struggling with this and i think you know you and I've had other conversations where we're just chatting and sharing and you get to work through things with other people, especially people in your sort of inner circle that you you know you love and respect you know they have a good head on their shoulders, and they can sort of unconditionally but what's going on and it's not coming from a judgement place. And maybe that's your counselor or therapist or get your, your acupuncturist or whatever but we have resources around us, way more than what we think and that was sort of a lightbulb moment for me some years back of. When you start asking for help or things. It's really weird like you get it, he posts are helping you and seem so simple I look back like that just seems like a revelation. That's so weird I asked this person for help and they totally helped me, but

Thomas DeSchutter :

I'm never, I'm never doing that again.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Yeah, well that yeah that didn't work at all. And I think part of that was because there's fear around that too. If I share that there's this thing I'm struggling with, what are they going to think. And I think in folded into that is like this need for approval that some of us have more than others and that was definitely me in the past, not so much anymore, kind of thinking about that this morning, go into meditation and again actually that's a tool as well. Meditation is something that I'll go into to just bring back to that stillness of my mind thrown away with things and you know you start creating all those big problems, it's like, hang on a second. Let's evaluate is this useful right now. And is this actually productive. Has there ever been a time where like worry has really solved all my problems and probably not and then almost like challenging myself oh hang on a sec. let's look at the past track record a little bit. And yeah, we make mistakes and we learn and we do all those things but when I really thought about it when I'm feeling that way or my mind spinning out, it's like, have you ever not shown up and delivered something, and even going back to school you know if you had a paper due, or the exam you somehow found a way to get it done. Even if you waited till 12 hours before to start it. Definitely. I've never done that. When you find a way to deliver right like, when the moment is there. I think there's so much of that feeling inside of us that you can think all the things but when, when it really comes down to that moment, you'll, you'll show up. And then it's going to be whatever it's going to be and I definitely felt that way with some of the retreats that I did have I had prepared as much as I thought I could, which was really just preparing myself, meditate, you know all the stuff that we do those morning rituals over teens those disciplines cold showers exercise, drinking, great clean water and food intake is really high and cleaning and all those things so that we're saving ourselves up for success as much as possible. And then you just have to do it like you just have to show up and it seems like when we show up, then you can deliver and you can kind of let go of those expectations and then you're in the flow state a little bit more and that's actually where that magic seems to come from because I can plan as much as I want. And how many times a life you plan everything to a tee like does it ever actually go that way. And actually in the most beautiful way it usually doesn't, it's better. Now,

Thomas DeSchutter :

you know you just you just made me think of something that I haven't thought about in a while, so I'm going to, I'm going to share it, and that is that that idea of preparation. And there's two parts of this. So, when I think back to my days of playing music, you know, recording a couple of albums, When we went into the studio. We rehearse. And we practice. And we knew our parts, so that when we got into the studio. We weren't spending all of that time and energy, figuring out what the heck we were going to be doing. We had it dialed in. And then you can play your parts and there might be some room to, you know, to shuffle around and to add live and to, you know, co create on the floor, so to speak, but pretty much it was dialed in. Now, going live and playing in front of an audience that for me allowed that ability to be, you know, when we would bring a new song, we would bring it out to a live audience, and we didn't know all our parts, and we were open to that experience of expanding onstage and figuring something out right and playing it in that moment of how is this gonna go and you're feeding off of other people like you know there's an audience out there so you've got that elevated energy within yourself because he's like oh my gosh we're trying to do a new song in front of people, but there was that open ability to just experience the sun, but all of those years of practicing my craft allowed me to go out in front of an audience and play around with something brand new, but when it came time to record it, for this is, you know, this is the moment in time that we're setting up for all eternity. This will now be a public domain. That was well rehearsed well oiled well practice.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Yeah. Well, then you've touched on some of those things for sure within me is preparation is everything and saving going back to like one of the first retreats that I did and collaborated with this amazing human that I met in Florida, her name is Emily and I was a bit nervous about it and then it was one of those things like well you haven't done retreats in this way and you haven't shown up in this way it's like wait a second, if I actually logically think about that I spent 10,000 hours in the clinic, talking to people about their health and figuring out how to help heal them and facilitate things and educate so all I was really doing was changing the setting. And now I happen to be in bands which was awesome you have this amazing natural backdrop and epic mountains and lakes and all these things so blending that type of environment, with the 10,000 hours in the clinic. Yeah, now I can sort of understand why it flowed so well, is I just got to be me, I love nature anyway. And I think that was part of it is the more ourselves we become the better we're going to deliver like that combination of preparation and authenticity that only you can kind of be, you can only be your own self and finding that zone of genius within yourself, you have a unique delivery. There's only. There's only one way to go about it. Actually, as you're talking. This book that I'm reading, called the gmts, some of you out there probably heard about it, it's like a lifetime companion sort of book. And it's fascinating because last night I was reading it and, and what you're talking about. He's just one chapter anyway. They, you know they're segmented into each gmts and so this is specific to me but it was talking about. Basically over reliance on structure, really can kill magic. And I'll just read this lines like magic refers to the events that do not follow logical and sequential laws. And it goes on to say magic is spontaneous, highly imitative unpredictable and uncontrollable. And you know it's it's beyond meaning and understanding and so when you're talking about music, and being on stage I can even sense like the excitement of what that was for you in the past, because yeah there's like fear and there's the unknown, but actually if we tune into those moments, you can get past the fear and there's actually a lot of excitement there. And I've heard people talk about it before anxiety is pretty close to excitement. Right symptoms on where you are on the curve and so if you can harness that excitement more and bring it through your actions and what you're doing. They're like dissipates anxiety, quickly, excuse me the anxiety like before you start. And I was in track and field in the past and played a lot of sports and things and you'd have those butterflies and that kind of nervous excitement and anxious Tell me like going up to the start line because I was a sprinter for a while and, you know, putting your fingers down on the truck in front of you and lining up in the game you get your fingers. Dial then your feet on the blocks it's like there's actually so much excitement there and trying to transmute that into like force and power in the body and harness it, if you can figure out how to do that in your life with a lot of the things that you're working on. I think that's what brings us back to the, the magic is you don't want to control it too much, too much structure you know we need framework for things and that's the preparation maybe but then when you've done the preparation, got a lot of flow, and then there's this awesome other thing that happens that's unpredictable and can't really be spoken to him beforehand.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Yeah, that's well said, you know, here's how I'll frame that in back to the music analogy, was the opportunity to go on stage with a new song allowed, because we're not, you know yet kind of have your parts mapped out like we know we're going to play the core is here, we're going to we're going to play, you know the introduction, and then we're going to have a verse and a verse and a chorus, and then there's going to the songs going to have, so we know the basic setup, but playing it live, and learning the song live allowed for magic to show up, because I would all of a sudden, play a fill, or a transition from the verse into the chorus in a certain way that I would go like, and then, and then it was locked in, like, when I had that moment of like, Oh, I played it the same way every time after that because I found that thing that so excited me this. This is the only way Now to do this, but

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Right when we homeschool versus when they went to school, and now we're back to homeschooling. Yeah, I see that in my kids how they bump up against structure to the point where they feel stifled, and they actually don't want to do it, because they don't hope there's no creative flow in that. And I want to get back to something you said there and I have this great analogy so the movie. Eight Mile. Yeah. Mmm. Yep, the vulnerability piece right. So for those that haven't seen the movie. And this, you know, the ending is awesome. And I'm going to show how uncool I am because I don't know what you call these things but they're basically having a rap off, right, like that's, that's kind of what they're doing a. I think that's what it's called. Okay, so they're doing these rap offs and the whole idea of this rap off is you kind of like you rip the other person to shreds in the process of doing your rap off right you call them out for what they are. And so the final scene of the rap of the m&m character. He basically just shreds himself on a stage, like he just rips himself to shreds opening fully up like I am, I am trailer trash. My friend did shoot himself I am a loser like all of this stuff. And then the other guy has to go and shred him, and he can't. Cuz it's already nothin yeah that's why I left. Yeah, cuz he has it when you tell them something. You tell them something they don't know about me right because there's nothing left to say like what are you going to say the guy is vulnerable and living in the idea that this is who I am, man. And yeah, you know, screw you, everything on the table right and that's that's the ultimate like fear busting thing. But I think we're also afraid of is actually showing ourselves ourselves fully because, yeah, lack of confidence self esteem like whatever all these programs that we run and it's like everybody feels that way and that's the beauty of being in the clinic for as long as I have is having so many amazing deep conversations with amazing people. And one of the things I hear the most is like, you might think I'm crazy but this is how I'm feeling or I'm feeling this I'm feeling that and they're really scared almost to share it and for whatever reason people seem to feel safe sharing things with me, and I'm just being present I don't think I'm doing anything special and then we have these amazing conversations, and they think they're alone, it's it's kind of wild it's like, how many of us have had these thoughts like oh 1000 times and then as soon as they share it, they can let go of that and they don't have to carry it on their own like we all have these things that we're hiding and carrying within ourselves and so that reference mmm I love that part of the movie. I know what you mean it's like I think a lot of people I saw that movie remember that because we all, you probably get super scared, imagining doing something like that yourself. But how much power there is in that and how empowering that can be when you just kind of step forward anyway. And then you let it all out there, and it's like what's, what's going to happen. If you stop judging yourself then you're not so worried about other people judging you too, and doing my workout this morning I was kind of chuckling I was thinking about our podcast today and just being open and say, Well, I think I've prepared myself as a human, as much as I can to this moment. So let's just talk about whatever but it was one of those things that made me chuckle a little bit thinking of all my kids, seeing me that it's like I care so much less about being weird, you know, and I think I'm getting more weird probably, and I care less about it which just kind of makes me laugh at myself it's like that cosmic joke where you just, you can laugh at yourself because you have put yourself out there on the table and whatever is gonna happen you know.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Okay, okay, okay, weird. And what's the Darth Vader deal.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Ah, yeah. So, for those of you that haven't seen it. During the quarantine period you know I have my office closed for like two and a half months I couldn't be in there. And maybe, maybe it was out of having this Darth Vader costume from Halloween with the kids last couple years. And then I have this violet charging device which you and I talked about and yeah there's a little plug for a bottle charger, I love that new scene it's pulse electromagnetic field frequency voltage and. Excuse me photonic light therapy, and it's, it's awesome. It's like an extension of me but put into a really sophisticated cool machine that is rooted in Nikola Tesla technology. And so it's awesome. And the cool thing when you're biotech you like you just stand by it. If you hold on to a fluorescent light bulb, and you're within like a few feet away the light bulb lights up in your hand. And so, people often ask me is this thing really doing anything and, you know, most people feel something when they're there and say yeah you know you can grab the light ball when it's lighting up and your, your as a human holding on to it, which is also how I feel about medicine in general, we're like these human electromagnetic fields and you know it's like a battery pack in every cell so it's it's kind of awesome and I won't geek out on that too much at the moment but the bio servitor. It just made me think of like every childhood dream you know any watch Star Wars, like I really wanted a lightsaber a real one, I still want one actually full disclosure, go on and go to Disney World or Disneyland to the Star Wars theme area and build your own lightsaber now. That's amazing. Is it real though, can you like, I don't think it was that I don't think it's transferable I don't think it's, you know, probably safer and safer.

Thomas DeSchutter :

So my kids watch these YouTube videos all the time on people that have gone to Disneyland but my kids are like Disneyland fanatics. I don't know why one of them in particular more than the other but but they're obsessed with like Walt Disney, they read Walt Disney books like they read up on how he created this stuff they watched the Imagineers like they're fascinated by this total imagination thing. We're getting off topic, what's with the Darth Vader costume.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

So the lightsaber notes and with a bow charger was just sort of a natural like oh well I do have this Darth Vader costume, and I can't remember if it was my idea or a good friend of mine, and we were chatting about it and say, oh yes totally get the Darth Vader costume. And have you know the fake lightsaber light bulb, and then it sort of became a thing, and in the past and again going back to our conversation, I'd never would have posted anything on social media. And actually I had quite a bit of nudging and prompting from others around me and Kev, you got to get on social nobody knows your work, you got to put that out there so you can help more people and I was resisting to I think because it's that fear of vulnerability yeah but then I'm putting myself out there and it's like, that's the whole point. You know, so I want to help and I want to help people, but I'm not going to tell them that I'm in my mentality for so long, like we didn't even have a business website so 2017, we already been practicing for like eight or nine years and so if they can't find you. I'm like, I know exactly, by design. I thought it was kind of cool like yeah this is this is my plan was to hide out and say, Well, yeah, how are you going to reach a bigger audience and make an impact if nobody knows where you are and people are still finding us which is cool i think is what we're putting out there but, yeah, you know, fast forward to 2020, if you were to ask you this last year like are you gonna put out a Darth Vader video of you with a fake lightsaber making lightsaber noises on social media, it would have been a really funny joke. And I did put it up there, because it was funny to me that I could laugh at myself, and if it could bring some levity especially to the situation at that time there's so much fear, uncertainty, you know, people really going back to their structures inside and getting into that, that dark place for some of us that hey maybe if they watch this goofy video of me with a lightsaber or Darth Vader costume in my class, they get laughed at me instead. And maybe that'll bring them out of where they're at and it was, it was funny I have to admit, like it was okay I got past the uncomfortable part, and just put it out there and then I actually got a ton of good feedback on how it did make people's days and that was the whole point. Can I be of service in a different way, if I can't see people in my clinic then I like to have fun I like the last. Anyway, I'm human. But I have to be all like Doctor serious all the time and and that's actually something I like to bring to the clinic is, I'm dealing with really serious illness, a lot of the time, and tough cases. But it doesn't mean we can't still be human and have some humor and laugh and that's where so much healing is anyway. So bringing that to the world in a better way. It's a Darth Vader video. There you go. That's the story. Awesome. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah, and you know, we're not having fun, what's the point. Yeah, there is there is that and being reminded, we're allowed to have fun it's true we don't have to get so serious all the time.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Yeah. And you know what, what it just popped into my head and. Is that just in this podcast alone, I've noticed how much more laughing and alarm in a while. By just sharing some joy with you my friend it's been it's been great. I do want to get a little serious though, because you've, you've thrown out some things along the way while you've been chatting and I've been writing some notes I like to take notes as I go along. And, and, and so one of the words that you threw out which I loved was surrender. And the whole idea of surrendering and. And after that I want to talk about people healing themselves, because I believe that so much of what you do is you're, you're, you're a conduit for them to get to their source of healing themselves. That's what I kind of believe that you do, but first let's touch on, let's touch a little bit on shredder because you shared that we kind of went over it, but how much of that has become a way of life for you in all of the things that you're trying to do, whether it's grow your business grow yourself, Darth Vader costumes whatever that looks like. What is that, how do you manage yourself to just keep surrendering to the next thing.

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Dr. Kevin Preston :

I think it's that reminder of the opportunities that we have in our life. And maybe how many we let pass us by out of self doubt or fear. And if you can let go of that constricted feeling. Then there's so much energy available. And so I think a lot of times surrender happens when we least expect it. You know that that breakdown. More probably accurately positive breakthrough, you know, when you really got your face in the mud and you're feeling so brutal, because of an experience, or people that have experienced traumas, or just really tough challenging stuff and I mean, scray we're talking about this right now the last few months for a lot of people have been really tough. And I feel really blessed and grateful that you know I got a roof over my head still. And I've still been able to buy food and get food and we live in an amazing country. So there's there's there's so much to be grateful for, but it's often in the challenging times you know when you have the most growth it's not always wanted flowing and easy and everything's just coming to you. And those are the moments where sometimes I think we're forced to surrender in those moments because it's like you can't do anything else. And I can share vulnerably like I've had some of those moments the last couple of years where I was, I was genuinely doing like the. The sob like the deep sob where you can't really stop. And that hasn't happened a lot of times in my life so I'm really grateful for that but I think it was also because sometimes I pulled back from what I would allow myself to really feel. So I think you have to talk about feeling the same time you talk about. Go for it, you know, let yourself feel the real stuff like don't sugarcoat your own feelings to yourself you're just lying. And these rules and programs that we give ourselves or we get from other people often prevent people from feeling and kind of bridging this conversation to the getting people healing in the clinic or on retreats, or if I'm coaching them or whatever is going on. If definitely tied into surrender, but it's also being willing to be vulnerable and then like how many people are not allowing themselves to feel the stuff they really need to feel. That's where healing is. That's almost all of it, what I've come to understand in the clinic and this has been echoed by a lot of modern science now and guys like Dr. Joe dispenza and a lot of the other people that have written these amazing books, all illness comes from the emotional and mental bodies. And I honestly didn't really fully understand that, or maybe believe it in the beginning because of how we're sort of brought up or, and I know it's all different for all of us, but if you look at indigenous populations. That's kind of going to use them for a lot of their culture, and they look at the stars and the moon and the weather and nature and animals and they come together as community and they come together as a culture in a really cohesive way. And these deeper practices were really honored and respected. And it's like, even grieving for example how many people out there have lost somebody or went through a really challenging time or really traumatic time. And it's like okay good, you had the weekend or you had the week, whatever date. Did you get back to work. Then you just kind of pretend that you're okay and get your. Get your shit together. I mean we do, but it doesn't mean that we're genuinely good you know it doesn't mean that we've actually processed that stuff and then it's almost like okay well if I'm expected to be, and I'm just using this example and back to work in a week or two after something major has happened in a life change, you just make yourself good somehow, because you got to show back up again but it doesn't mean that that deeper aspect of you is sorted at all. And then that's when it comes in hits you, a month later six months later, five years later maybe and then I've got somebody sitting in front of me kind of breaking down a little bit. And we'll pull that thread all the way back to that thing that took place five years ago. And they maybe had no idea that that was still in their body in their physiology. So a lot of my work on testing for toxicity and testing for viruses and bacteria and pathogens and all these things that can play the, the human system, but honestly what I've learned, even more so the last few years is like that stuff is usually where illness, comes from. That's where imbalance comes from. And so teaching people to connect with themselves further feel those feelings, you know get help around it, and I think that's why the retreats I'm doing in nature is so like epic and powerful is they're not in their own. They're not around the same people, you've taken them out of their comfort zone in a generally a really healthy way you put them in nature which is a natural state for so many of us, and then they can relax enough to start going through some of those layers and recreate a safe environment and practices and ceremony or whatever it is, and use different tools and resources to help mine that stuff out of their system as it says we have so much purity you know you said it's like we can, I guess. It's so true we have like this infinite capacity that even those that have told patience. anything. If you don't dive in further. What, why would it change, you're on this course like if you actually want your illness to change you definitely have to change some things in your life. You can't do that and I have seen patients that have gotten themselves better by just doing a lot of saving and different things and it doesn't mean that all of that but they didn't fundamentally shift their thinking or their life or the things that really needed to be addressed. Guess what comes back. Almost every time. Or they might be good for a little while but it's not lasting and so that's a big focus. I guess it's always been that way for me in practice for whatever reason but even more importantly now. Gotta find that root stuff. You got to go back to those things and shift them, and then you can heal and there's a lot of ways people can do that themselves and I just looked at myself as a facilitator more than a doctor, just trying to point those things out and yeah might give them some really specific resources and tools to help clear things from the body and make them aware of things but they definitely have the capacity, we just need to be shown. We're not taught this stuff, you know, and I'd love to change that, you know, and I'm, I'm trying to teach my kids as much as they can their friends and family. That will listen to me. And I try to not sound like preachy because why bother john go off on a tangent again, never shuts up and so I'm maybe better now, keeping my mouth shut, when when I should but anyway yeah I think you get the point.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Good luck with the kids. Well, your dad. You don't know anything.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

In my mind I'm still like cool dad so I wonder how long ago, it's probably breaking down already but yeah. Yeah.

Thomas DeSchutter :

You know, I think what you said is, is, is great, on, on the surrender piece and I want to go. If you're willing. I want to go a little deeper on surrender because I know you've had some pretty major. Personal life changes over the last time you've been on the show. Mm hmm. And so, and I've gone through so many personal life situations myself that have been very disruptive to me as a human being. And I didn't know I was surrendering to things at the time but you know ever since I read. I read the surrender experiment. I've been like, oh, how much can I give up. Like how much have I willing to let go of needing to be a certain way. So I guess what I'm asking of you is, how did you not follow your heart, and allow yourself to do the personal shifts that you've done by surrendering to them. And I know it's hard to answer this, but where do you think you would be physically, mentally, because obviously you were feeling like there's something not working in my life.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it maybe goes back to what I mentioned earlier that you know sometimes things to in your wild things in your life maybe needs to get really challenging for you to fix them. Or for you to change or shift something that has to be maybe so uncomfortable. You know those those those things like pleasure and pain and motivate us, and I don't know why but so much of the time we got to wait for the pain. And then we'll do something. So that's definitely a mindset shift in the last few years for me and especially in the last year is looking more for the not needing to have the pain. Because I hide it as a question like, do we actually need to always have the pain or the massive challenge to grow. And I don't think so. I think yeah, if you're gonna go through pain and challenge, then you might as well learn from it might as well grow. But can we choose a more harmonious or smooth pathway and still get the growth it's kind of an open question I'm putting out there still to myself and to you as well. Where can we choose those things like are we choosing grace and ease in our lives, or are we choosing difficulty. And yeah, sometimes the right thing to do is not the easy thing. Quite often it's not, and being willing to do the right thing and stay in that integrity within yourself in that authenticity, regardless of what's going on externally. There's a element of surrender there because you don't know what's going to happen. And it reminds me of, you know, I think is the first and second Indiana Jones where you know you got to step into the void before that bridge appears, because we want the bridge to appear first. And that's just the fear it's like no show me that this is going to be okay and this is going to show up exactly how I want, and then I'll open that door, and it doesn't work that way. If you want things to show up for you you're gonna have to put your step forward into the void, and see what happens. And I think that's what ultimately the surrender is is you definitely have to let go then of what might happen next. And so I can kind of see the you know the degrees of separation. Had I not follow my heart and meet some really big decisions to change things. Yeah, I'd be, I'd be in pain. And there was challenge and difficulty to go through to get to the point where I'm at now I'm not going to sugarcoat it, there's aspects of the last year that sucked. And I would also say the last year in my life has been one of the best, most enjoyable and epic like adventurous like unpredictable times, ever. And so good like really living, and one of them homes challenging at the same time, and I think how fascinating is that, that I can have like the best year of my life, and the most challenging. At the same time, we're our, you know as a human we're walking paradoxes all the time. And maybe that's the duality, or that it's okay that we tend actually experience all those things inside of a day or inside of a week or a year and that's okay it's part of the fabric of life and that's what gives it so much character so I feel more myself now than I ever have at any point in my life and it was through the vehicle of following the heart and listening to that deep voice that had been rumbling for a long time you notice that hibernating bear just kind of rolling and you know there's that growl inside I guess that you know if they're used to that you've heard it. You're scared shitless about it. But then there becomes a point like you can't ignore it anymore, because if you do there's more PII not less. It gets harder not easier and it's like sometimes you do have to just rip the band aid off in the biggest antidote to fear that I found is action. Not mindless action. But really, like soul depth kind of heart oriented action where you know, and it's one of those things that people tell you you know when you know. And there's nobody else that can tell you otherwise when you know something that deep within yourself. You got to trust that. And I think for a long time in my life I looked to other people to tell me what to do, because I didn't want to face that part of myself right it's like No, just tell me I'll do that it's way easier to face my own stuff and. And what do you think or what do you think and you get 100 other opinions and guess what they're all different. And then you still have to come back to yourself and decide yeah but what do I want, What do I need there, and there's nobody that can really tell you more than what you know yourself. Nobody can get guidance but yeah looking outside of ourselves, like somebody has the answer for what we actually know to be true for ourselves if we bothered to take a look. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing do you know many times in my life I've avoided looking into myself. Because, not because I didn't know but because I did there

Thomas DeSchutter :

oh yeah you don't want to, you know, it's like, it's like, almost the instant something happens, that's kind of important, you know, and then you bring it upstairs to the calculating conscious mind and you start trying to rationalize what you need to do, and then you stop focusing on what that gut intention was or what that gut reaction was, and now you're kind of blocked. And I want to go back before, before we carry on that because that's a whole other world. I want to go back to your pain thing, because when you as you were saying that what came up for me is that it's just perception. Like, like, you're no matter what we do, we're gonna have challenges. You know, if you're an avid skier and you're learning to ski Black Diamond runs. It's a challenge. It's just that you want the challenge. Yeah, you're choosing it right so where are we, where we get caught up is that if something is uncomfortable but we didn't necessarily choose it or we think we didn't actually choose it. Then it becomes pain and we want to avoid it as opposed to treating it like, no, this is that Black Diamond ski run, and it's part of my evolution. And I think where I'm coming from on this is that, you know, as you know I'm, I'm studying to become ordained as a minister. One of the things somebody said to me was as a minister your role is two things. one is to comfort the afflicted. And the other one is to afflict the comfortable. Oh, that's gold. Right, that's the role, it's the job is to actually be a voice in the wilderness, for lack of a better term here so it sounds a little hokey that either is giving somebody, the comfort and structure, they need to move through something that they're facing, or to take somebody who is just living life, way too easy for themselves knows they want more of themselves and push their buttons to get them into action.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

So well said.

Thomas DeSchutter :

I think it's just all perception because I could take a challenge in my life and say, This is really painful for me. And, you know, and if I fall down the ski run, it's going to be painful for me, but in one case I chose it. And on the other I think I didn't choose it whereas I probably set up my life to present that to me so you might as well run at it and, and do your, do your darn best

Dr. Kevin Preston :

that's getting back to you know being authentic totally and just showing up as yourself and if you're putting everything on the table. You're, you're gonna be good kind of regardless of what happens because you know you showed up for it you know you're showing up for your life. And, you know, I think about a lot of the patients that I've seen and clients that I have that I've done, you know, sort of deep dive events with whether it's one on one coaching or or retreats or even just clinic visits. It's not always comfortable to see me. Not, not because I'm acupuncture in them and sometimes I can bring some sensation, you know not, I'm not caveman and get in there and just afflicting the pain on purpose, but I think some people think I like it but really I care so much about everybody that I see that I can't, you know show up anything less than fully loving and authentic. And when I see something that's out of balance I have to speak to it. And there's ways of delivering things in a really loving way, and being kind. But there also has to be this level of truth that's there have you just reflected all these things back to me You're telling me about your life you're telling me about all the things are going on and symptoms. And on my side I'm looking at the pattern. And I'm looking at the fabric of what's happening in their system, and seeing the symptoms and then I'm picking through that basically formulating here's why I think this has come up some of its body related some of its habits or patterns some of its beliefs. But here's some pockets of emotions and anger or grief and do you know you're housing that in this organ or this space that your body, of course you have pain there all the time. How could you not that's the message is receiving 24 seven. That's what has to be unraveled and what's been really curious as I do like phone distance healing now to like a thing. And again, same thing is something in the past I didn't think I could really do I got requests for it. Thank you COVID-19 you created like phone distance healing as a result. Yeah, exactly because I had time for it because I've been doing that for a while. But again, it's funny going back I didn't tell anybody. And I was just gonna keep that to myself. So then you know kind of got dropped on me well Can't you just, you know, hear me from a distance and finally I was like well yeah let's give it a shot. And then it turns out, crazy stuff happens. Crazy shifts happen because energy is everywhere, time and space doesn't exist in that way and I'm still wrapping my head around that. But what's interesting is diving into the system and following the meridians and the energy and feeling what's really going on there for somebody that's where there's a lot of magic. And that's where it can create massive healing in a whole bunch of different ways. So there's a lot of vehicles to kind of travel in that way to heal but we do have the capacity and man when it comes to breaking through things for yourself. It is a choice like it is that perception just like you're saying that we can go at it in an empowered way. Or we can kind of run from it and it'll find you anyway. And that's the thing is, I think there's that victim consciousness conversation there of stuff happening to us or is this happening for us. And what I've come to believe, kind of, regardless of what anybody else believes you can believe whatever you want but I am believing that everything is meant to help us grow and, you know, it's this word that gets used so much in sort of modern spirituality I guess like the awakening. Everything's designed to help you awaken more, but I actually think that's kind of true and I think is some of the challenges I've experienced in the last couple of years that I am better for it. And I did face a lot of those things head on and there's other areas where I didn't. And then it came and found me, you know I'm sitting in the closet and it's like, I see you're in there and you're like, Oh man, I thought I could hide and go seek on this one but I can't, because I don't want to live my life that way anyway, so it will present things to you. And sometimes it's more challenging in the beginning but the payoff is monumental and especially the payoff for health. Yeah, that's, that's everything. I think that that choice that we have about being in victim consciousness or not contain so much healing that things are happening for us all the time, if we want to choose to see it that way. Right. And I definitely had moments, you know a bunch of my life and even still now at times where I can get pulled into that type of thought process. Why is this happening to me and as soon as you say that you're kind of in trouble. does ask like why is this happening for me. And what do I get to do is a powerful statement as well I'm big on words and, you know, with my men's team we talked about that and I know this is something that you and I've talked about, even in the Four Agreements you know be impeccable with your word, the words we say to ourselves are probably the most important. And I ask patients this all the time. What are you telling yourself. And what are you telling your organs, potentially, especially the ones that are apparently not functioning the way that we want sometimes we're like, ah, stupid, liver, or stupid gallbladder I think no no no don't. Don't say that. What do you think that organ is going to do to respond. It doesn't like that you know everything has consciousness and we have our energy body in our system and all the organs it's all connected. We're one being. So the way that we, you know, shift our mindset of how is this aiming to help me awaken more to who I am. Maybe that's a better question, especially when it comes to illness. Like that's one of the things that will stop people, and have them have a life change is his health. And so those are things that I'm seeing every day and that's what I want to help people discover why is this happening yes we want to sort this for sure. But you got to understand where it came from. Otherwise, you're, you're not going to find a long term solution, it's just a stopgap for band aids at best. And I think ultimately people know that inherently, and maybe that's why I've become really busy in the clinic and I'm grateful for that. Because I'm willing to have those conversations. And, but it's not

Thomas DeSchutter :

it's not a willingness to have the conversation, it's that the people actually get results. That's why that's why people are coming to you is because it's because they're getting results, and it's the process that you're going through and you know and I'll take this out of the spirituality for those listeners out there that don't want to hear about spirituality I'll take this to the matrix. You know the movie The Matrix there's a great example of, you know, cipher says that is yeah I think so, first the character does not want to be awake.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Oh yeah. Yeah, totally. So he wants to go back to

Thomas DeSchutter :

the matrix and that's fine. It's. Look, if you want to just live your life however you're living your life is perfectly fine. If there's, I am not going to tell anybody that they need to do anything or there's nothing they need to do. Just keep doing what you're doing if it works for you. Fantastic. However, what you're talking about is, if there is a health challenge going on a mental challenge that you're facing a way of being that you're uncomfortable with that isn't lighting you up. Then there is work to do. If you want that to change. Yeah, absolutely. And I think what we're talking about here, and a lot of cases is the answer is within ourselves we know it. You know one of the things I've had to take recently was pastoral counseling.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Well, interesting.

Thomas DeSchutter :

So I'm about to enter my third term now of pastoral counseling, and all of it has been about listening. And then we do practice sessions with our fellow students right so every week I have been on calls with people doing practice sessions of counseling one another. And what has been fascinating to me, Kevin, is that even with my own shift that comes up and believe me, I have enough of it for everybody, like, let's let's be real here man, we, we got buckets. You know if there's anybody out there that thinks, oh Thomas has a great life I'll tell you, it, there's a lot of stuff going on that it's so pretty. And a lot of thoughts that I have that aren't so kind and so loving and so caring. So, I've had the ability to process it and what has been absolutely amazing to me is that when I have somebody that's sitting on the other side of the screen and it's all been done on zoom calls right so it's not i'm not even personal, and they just listen and allow me to throw out into the universe whatever thoughts are coming up around an issue. I hear those words back and they paraphrase it back to me and you know what I heard you say was bla bla bla bla bla and if they didn't quite get it right and I go no no it wasn't quite that it's more like this, but I started honing in on the thing myself, and then every single time it's like the light went on it is like, Oh, I see what I'm doing I see how I'm responsible for this feeling I have I see how I'm responsible for that went that way because of what I was doing, and who I was being, and they didn't do anything. They didn't say this is you know go take two aspirin and do that they just sat there and allowed me to talk, and they heard me, they were they were somebody that just allowed me to be heard. And through that process. I got to my own solution, every single time. And as a counselor in reverse. I was able to do the same thing for them. Like, all of a sudden the person's face lights up where they go, Oh my gosh, I so get it now. And when you do that on your own. When you figure it out for yourself, it's golden right it's stamped in. It's like there's nobody that could have told you that, and how that lands differently in your system right, you're like, oh my god.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

And when I think of how many times in my life like people have told me things. And then I still painstakingly go through my own process to really like get it, and it could be a week later or a year later, I'm like, oh, man, and they're like, yeah, I told you, like, a year ago, like, I know but somehow I still needed to like stamp it into my system and now I definitely got it. But, yeah, it's just like a beautiful thing that you shared is really listening to people and hearing what they what they have to share and that's actually something that's so exciting to me in practice and working with people is just helping them find that answer for themselves because I don't know all the stuff of what's going on for them, but I can reflect it back and maybe have some insights around, you know patterns and observations and things and you know I have all this knowledge, I guess, but yeah what's as important or more important is just sitting with them and holding that space. And sometimes it is talking about because people figure stuff out and I even said that to patients I think hey, let's chat about these things I think between the two of us. We can say you're quite a bit out, and then you'll have some answers and then you'll have some solutions because people are often showing up and wanting answers, and I'll try and help them find their own answers, because that's so much more powerful. They know them, you know, they know themselves so much better than anybody possibly could, because they know that internal terrain. They've been there they've been with it for a long time. Sure, and when, when you do, there's a sense of pride. Like I figured this. Oh, I get this about me I mean I've had many of those experiences in my life right now I understand myself better. And I feel good about understanding myself better. And it allows me then to make better choices moving forward. Yeah, you can take more inspired action, more empowered action. And I think it's actually that that piece that's what builds confidence in yourself. So even when it comes to health somebody has often lost confidence in their body when they've seen me, because they're sick, and they're ill or whatever it is, there's something going on. And if it's gone on for a while like they've kind of lost confidence in their ability to rally or their ability to heal themselves and they're they're pretty down. And so that's part of it too is like getting them to feel empowered again with their own function. And there's a lot of ways to go about doing it and sometimes is having these conversations or directing them to books or resources or things and, you know, going back to complete the loop here on the surrender experiment that book is powerful because of the message in it. And you can apply it to every area of life if you want and you don't have to do everything like Mickey Singer says in the book but there's there's some gold there too and there's some nuggets in that of tools that you can use to navigate yourself through and especially this time on the planet right now. Oh man. We don't have time to have that discussion on the podcast even but everybody that's going to be listening to this, we all have our own versions of what's going on. And, yeah, just dive inside more, and then bring that to the surface and take those steps forward so that you can shift things that you want to share, whatever it might be, health, or relationships like all of the above you can apply the same formula.

Thomas DeSchutter :

What's hitting me hard right now as you say that is just my relationship with my children. And the more that I have surrendered to the idea that they are intelligent aware, human beings, they know who they are way better than I could ever even imagine that they know who they are, they know what they like they know what they don't like. Right, yeah. If they don't like peas they don't like peas, I don't have to force them they like. But when I think back to how I was in their early years where I had taken some of my thinking of what parenting was which was all of these rules and regulations around my children to where I am today with how much I surrender, even to them talking back to me were, you know, in my day and age growing up I was born in the 60s, you know, he didn't talk back. And, and I will remind them to be respectful of how they speak to me, but I have no problem with them telling me that they don't like something that I'm doing, or they don't like something that I'm telling them to do, and have a conversation and the more that I have surrendered to them as having a right to speak, and be a human being. My relationship with them, has changed. And as a father of two, you know soon to be 14 year old attractive young girls. Yeah, nothing more than I want than a relationship with them where they understand what it means to be a really good person, but a really good male, like what does it look like to have in my life that cares for me, that nurtures me that loves me, that respects me, because that's what I want them to go find if they so choose to get involved with a male, then that's what I want them to look for in a partner, whatever the partner is actually doesn't matter whether it be a male or a female, I want Yeah, and that there's a way to be treated. And I want to be that example.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

That's a beautiful mission and I can relate. You know my kids are nine and 11 currently and kids are like the greatest teachers. And I think everybody has the capacity to be a teacher for us, including our own selves but kids have a, an extra layer to the end, generally because you have such a closeness or a connection I think that's what you're talking about is connection. And, again, going back to the planet right now. That's probably the biggest question that people are facing or contemplating or wondering about is what is my connection to what and how do I relate to other people. And how am I connecting with them. And maybe there's not anything more important than life and that connection. When you take everything else away. And again like learning to surrender I I gave up a lot in the last year. But I would say I gained so much more inside for myself, that there's no none of money, or, I don't know, there's nothing. There's nothing that can replace that. Tsunami but we need the basics you know but it really showed me what was important to me and I think that's what you're reflecting to is like what is really important here. And it is often when you lost some things or had to give up a lot or whatever it was and your mindset and that's all perspective to get actually really give anything up or did I expand my capacity to grow more that I expand my bandwidth as a human to have even more connection, because now I'm even more focused on what's important, not, not less so yeah there's, there's a lot of depth in what you're saying thanks so much for sharing that.

Thomas DeSchutter :

Yeah. There are sure a beautiful story with you we got we just we just brought into the family, a couple of goats. Yes. Yeah, beautiful, Norwegian mountain goats or I don't even know more Norwegian something goats, they're tiny right they're not their own, they're only going to get up to just above my knee in height. And we've named them, Benny, and the jet to just keep along our musical feeding our dog is getting a lead named after the singer of rush. And so we decided that the elton john song Benny in the Jets was the perfect name for these two goats. And so we brought them home on Sunday. And here's what here's what's so beautiful is, you know, my whole reasoning for getting these goats was because we have all these, you know I have an acre and a quarter year and and just a little over a, you know, a third of the yard is all bush trees, and it's all getting taken over by blackberry bush. That's it these goats love blackberry Bush, they just eat it like it's no tomorrow right so i thought well I can hack this stuff, forever in a day and never get rid of it. Or we could just get some goats and let them eat, blackberries. So, what's gonna be right though, is that yesterday. My girls had their friend over, and they decided to start building little trails for the goats to go down and take the goats into these areas and so they called me down. And so they said Oh Dad, look what we've done and they've taken some of the wood that I've split and laid a little path down so the goats can walk down and, and they went right into the center of all of this bush inside is this oasis of these beautiful ferns that are, you know, almost, chest high on you. And this over like this, these tall trees that are in there that are just kind of shading the area, and there's no blackberries in there. It's beautiful. And I'm standing in there. And I'm looking around and I'm thinking, I have never been here. I have lived on this land for almost five years, and I have never been in this spot. And, oh my gosh, it's beautiful like talk about you know in your own backyard that say that you know you don't even know what's in your own backyard. I had no idea,

Dr. Kevin Preston :

literally,

Thomas DeSchutter :

right in my own backyard. Was this beautiful space and it was my daughter's just allowing them to be who they are, do whatever they want in the backyard with the goats gave him some shears show them how to use them. Don't cut your fingers off be responsible but if if whatever you want to do back there. just go nuts. And I had this moment of like, wow, I had. Thank you girls thank you for showing me this.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

Oh, that's amazing and I could put that as an analogy for our own selves. You know, we don't know our own backyard. So many of us, we don't really know what's inside us either. And the gifts that we have that are there to express like, yeah, go and do some exploration and I think that's where retreats are beautiful, whether you're doing them on your own, or just walks in nature on your own like whatever it is. Meditation like explore that for yourself because you might find this beautiful Oasis within you that you had no idea even existed. And you've been in your body for however many years and there's like this discovery of like another depth of part of who you are. And so, yeah, I love that you discovered that nature is like one of my Happy Places to so I could completely picture what you're describing. And, yeah, that sounds like a great meditation spot for you, Thomas.

Thomas DeSchutter :

It was hilarious as I've been, I have hiked the numerous miles of mountain bike trails, all around my property, like I have spent you know Saturday I did two and a half hour hike with the dog. Well, while doing our global being man call and I went, you know, partway up Mount fencing, but in my own backyard is this beautiful spot that I've never seen and I just have to chuckle at it sometimes. Kevin we're getting we're getting near the end of our time here and I wanted to, I really did want to highlight this because I found it fascinating. I've asked many people over the course of the last few years, you know what their favorite quote is and where they got it from. And, you know, so you put down what your favorite quote was and where you got it from, and I love it because it's like my linked farmer neighbor Juergen Peter is where your favorite quote comes from like who quotes their farmer neighbor, and his quote was. You really got to live your life, man. Yeah, just talk a little bit about how that how that hits you or why it still resonates for you, and the fact that it's not some guru. It's not some famous person that laid down this quote, it's just, I don't mean just in a, in a demeaning way but it's just your farmer neighbor.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

I think that's the beauty of all of us as humans we all have it within us to have these epic quotes. You know, we were here we're showing up we're living our lives, and him and I had many conversations and he was actually a rock musician, and had a band in the 60s, called the haunted plug for the haunted. And some of his stuff is on, like it's on iTunes still. And so we listened to it, it was really inspiring you know and and I got to have. He liked rum and coke and so him and I would have a rum and coke from time to time and then I'd get stories, and he was a chopper pilot to helicopter pilot. Super brilliant so he had done a lot of stuff in his life, beautiful family, and the stories that this guy had were so inspiring to me and that's where this like part of the conversation and I share different things and he's just like, you know, you really got to live your life, man. And that landed in me, we really can kind of make a mark in our own unique way. And just you know go out there and go and do it and he had some, you know, you can imagine being a topper pilot headphone in the Himalayas, and in Germany and all over the place and wasn't the place for us as a chopper pilot in Montreal back in the day. During this thing you know and so I think wow what. What a life like he actually authentically can say that, and then could deliver that advice because I could feel where it was coming from because it had story to and it had meaning to it, it wasn't just he read it somewhere, and then was passing through to me, that was genuinely coming from him, because he did that. And, yeah, I've always kind of have that in my, my framework or when I'm feeling, you know, lack of confidence or fearful about doing something and then you hear His voice is like, just go live your life man and as I remember that, and then you can step forward in a different way because there's energy too and it's like, why not, there's so much out there for us that, and there's so much inside for us as well that. Yeah, you gotta go for it so that's where that came from.

Thomas DeSchutter :

That's awesome, I love it. Thank you for sharing that. I'm gonna test you now, because I know how great you are at having people connect with you and how they can find you, because it's all it's all about it's all about telling people how they can find. So, if somebody wants to work. And, you know, we didn't even get into all the different modalities that you kind of work with it I mean you're you're a TCM traditional Chinese medicine, you have the, what is the machine call

Dr. Kevin Preston :

machine via the bow charger that you sit in front of and yeah I do a lot of toxicity testing and profiling and a bunch of other things. So, yeah, and you make magic potions and I'll speak for myself, who is a patient of yours has been a patient of yours in the past you have magic potion read your wellness and I'm so grateful for the time that we spent together on that on this. How does somebody, reach out to you and connect with you and start the process of saying hey I'm ready to find out what I can do more for my health. I think you take the red pill, unplug yourself from the matrix. And then you can go to Dr. Kevin Preston calm so that's just Dr. Kevin Preston calm and we're actually going through a site rebuild right now so the one that's there still has information of how to find me and her are new enough. Yeah, she'll be out pretty soon and excited about all these amazing things that we're cultivating and starting to do online coursework and things I'm actually starting to teach something tonight called uncommon wisdom with a mutual friend of ours, from Vancouver there. Yeah. Yes. Nice.

Thomas DeSchutter :

She's a beautiful soul.

Dr. Kevin Preston :

She really is and so I'm really excited to keep diving into all these different topics that can affect our health and can affect how well we're thriving and the fulfillment that we're feeling and all the above. You know those are all really nice sounding words but actually really embodying that stuff is what we're focused on and yeah so lots of pretty cool stuff on the horizon. I'm really grateful. All right, my friend have an amazing day. Thank you so much Thomas I really appreciate connecting with you and. Yeah. Till next time. Appreciate it.

Thomas DeSchutter :

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